Assorted rogues - Person Sheet
Assorted rogues - Person Sheet
Spouses
FatherJohn Bedgebery
Notes for Agnes Roper
Agnes appears in the Roper line in the 1619 Kent Visitation, with husband given, and brother as Edmund. (Agnes ux Walteri Colepeper de Bedgebery in co’ Cantij ar.) A nice clear identification. However, the Colepeper line in the same source lists her as Agnes filia Edmundi Roper de St. Dunstans p’pe urbem Cantuariae. I’m not sure what’s going on here.
Also, as 791 points out, it seems that the Visitation of Kent confuses her first marriage with the wife of the son, John. I have followed that version here, making her the widow of John Bedgebery, so I don’t quite agree with what the Visitation says.
According to the Visitation Agnes was the daughter of Rodolphus Roper (and Beatrix Lewknor) son of Thomas Roper (and a daughter of Thomas Apledore), son of Adae(?) Roper, son of Ewin Roper. That’s all the information it contains.
Also, as 791 points out, it seems that the Visitation of Kent confuses her first marriage with the wife of the son, John. I have followed that version here, making her the widow of John Bedgebery, so I don’t quite agree with what the Visitation says.
According to the Visitation Agnes was the daughter of Rodolphus Roper (and Beatrix Lewknor) son of Thomas Roper (and a daughter of Thomas Apledore), son of Adae(?) Roper, son of Ewin Roper. That’s all the information it contains.
Notes for John (Spouse 1)
The last of the very old Bedgebery family, his estates went to his wife and thence to the Colepepers.
Notes for Walter (Spouse 2)
Second son.106 Walter’s father is given as John by the Visitation106, but 791 argues this was incorrect. I follow 791 here.
Extract from 791:
“Walter Colepeper, who continued the line, married Agnes, the daughter of Edmund Roper, of St. Dunstans, Canterbury, and is so described on her tombstone at Goudhurst. She was also the widow of John, son of John de Bedgebury, a fact not mentioned in the pedigrees recorded in the Visitations, but which is amply evidenced by an undated Chancery Procceding, temp. Hen. VI., where Walter Coulpepir and Agneis, his wife, late the wife of John, son of John de Beggebury and Thomas Chaundeler, chaplain, appear as plaintiffs in a dispute relating to property in Goudhurst, Cranbrook and Hawkhurst, which John, son of Roger de Beggebury, left to pay for two chaplains to sing masses for his soul and for that of Johanna, his wife. By this marriage Walter Colepeper had, with two daughters--Margaret, married to Alexander Clifford, and Elizabeth, married to John Hardes, of Hardes, co. Kent--three sons, Richard, John and Nicholas. Agnes, his wife, predeceased him on the 2nd December, 1457, and was buried at Goudhurst, and Walter himself died on the 24th November, 1462, and was also buried at Goudhurst.”
And further from 791:
“Although the pedigree given above differs in many respects from those recorded in the Visitation, it is substantiated not only by many Inquisitions, Deeds and Grants,40 but also by a suit entered on membrane 484 of the De Banco Roll, Hilary, 4 Edward IV., whence the following pedigree is deduced:
John Culpeper
Thomas Culpeper
Thomas Culpeper
Walter Culpeper
John Culpeper
Richard Culpeper
Nicholas Culpeper
John Culpeper
Nicholas Culpeper
This suit has reference to the fine levied in 1320, the John at the head of the pedigree being the son of Sir Thomas and Margery, and the plaintiffs, John, Richard and Nicholas Colepeper, claiming one quarter of these lands against Sir John Fogge, according to the customs of gavelkind, in right of their father Walter.”
From 790:
“At the time of their check at the hands of Edward II, the Culpepers seem to have recently inaugurated their characteristic practice of land acquisition by the time honored expedient of marrying heiresses. It was from their first manor so acquired, that of Bayhall in the Kentish parish of Pembury on the southern border of the weald, that they spread, as Hasted remarks, 'over the whole face of the county' of Kent; and, we may add, eventually of adjacent Sussex as well.
In this process, the Walter Culpeper who fought at Agincourt, being of the seventh recorded generation of his family, put his roots in the ground a few miles southeast of Bayhall. About 1425 he married the widow of the last Bedgebury of Bedgebury in Goudhurst and was buried with that family in Goudhurst church. His tomb described him as 'arm. filius Thorne Culpeper militis... obiit 24 November 1462' (Weever, Antient Funeral Monuments, 1767 ed., p. 69); which identifies him genealogically as the Walter, son of Thomas, who himself left sons, John, Richard and Nicholas, as rehearsed in DeBanco Roll, 4 Edw. IV, Hilary Term, membrane 484.
Source: Fairfax Harrison, "The Proprietors of the Northern Neck"”
Extract from 791:
“Walter Colepeper, who continued the line, married Agnes, the daughter of Edmund Roper, of St. Dunstans, Canterbury, and is so described on her tombstone at Goudhurst. She was also the widow of John, son of John de Bedgebury, a fact not mentioned in the pedigrees recorded in the Visitations, but which is amply evidenced by an undated Chancery Procceding, temp. Hen. VI., where Walter Coulpepir and Agneis, his wife, late the wife of John, son of John de Beggebury and Thomas Chaundeler, chaplain, appear as plaintiffs in a dispute relating to property in Goudhurst, Cranbrook and Hawkhurst, which John, son of Roger de Beggebury, left to pay for two chaplains to sing masses for his soul and for that of Johanna, his wife. By this marriage Walter Colepeper had, with two daughters--Margaret, married to Alexander Clifford, and Elizabeth, married to John Hardes, of Hardes, co. Kent--three sons, Richard, John and Nicholas. Agnes, his wife, predeceased him on the 2nd December, 1457, and was buried at Goudhurst, and Walter himself died on the 24th November, 1462, and was also buried at Goudhurst.”
And further from 791:
“Although the pedigree given above differs in many respects from those recorded in the Visitation, it is substantiated not only by many Inquisitions, Deeds and Grants,40 but also by a suit entered on membrane 484 of the De Banco Roll, Hilary, 4 Edward IV., whence the following pedigree is deduced:
John Culpeper
Thomas Culpeper
Thomas Culpeper
Walter Culpeper
John Culpeper
Richard Culpeper
Nicholas Culpeper
John Culpeper
Nicholas Culpeper
This suit has reference to the fine levied in 1320, the John at the head of the pedigree being the son of Sir Thomas and Margery, and the plaintiffs, John, Richard and Nicholas Colepeper, claiming one quarter of these lands against Sir John Fogge, according to the customs of gavelkind, in right of their father Walter.”
From 790:
“At the time of their check at the hands of Edward II, the Culpepers seem to have recently inaugurated their characteristic practice of land acquisition by the time honored expedient of marrying heiresses. It was from their first manor so acquired, that of Bayhall in the Kentish parish of Pembury on the southern border of the weald, that they spread, as Hasted remarks, 'over the whole face of the county' of Kent; and, we may add, eventually of adjacent Sussex as well.
In this process, the Walter Culpeper who fought at Agincourt, being of the seventh recorded generation of his family, put his roots in the ground a few miles southeast of Bayhall. About 1425 he married the widow of the last Bedgebury of Bedgebury in Goudhurst and was buried with that family in Goudhurst church. His tomb described him as 'arm. filius Thorne Culpeper militis... obiit 24 November 1462' (Weever, Antient Funeral Monuments, 1767 ed., p. 69); which identifies him genealogically as the Walter, son of Thomas, who himself left sons, John, Richard and Nicholas, as rehearsed in DeBanco Roll, 4 Edw. IV, Hilary Term, membrane 484.
Source: Fairfax Harrison, "The Proprietors of the Northern Neck"”