NameHorace Norgrove , GGG Uncle
Birth3 Dec 1846 [292]
Death13 Jan 1928 [292]
FatherWilliam Norgrove (1813-1886)
MotherSarah Hall (1818-1891)
Spouses
Marriage29 May 1873, St. Peters Church, Wellington [784]
ChildrenEliza Whiting (1876-1876)
 Horace (ca1880-)
Notes for Horace Norgrove
Again, Kate just mentions the name, but I don’t know anything more about him. They lived in Picton apparently.

From Kate [50]: “Horace married Carrie Whiting and lived in Picton. Issue, 2 boys and 4 girls. Boys, Horace and Harold. Horace died. Harold a market gardener in Auckland. Annie married……..”

The Wellington Evening Post, 28 June, 1872, describes in detail a court case that H. Norgrove brought against G. Thomas, for £40, for the balance of his wages, for sailing, manning, and victualling the ketch Amateur, and for a month’s salary instead of notice. (Horace didn’t actually appear in court, being represented by Mr Ollivier.) Apparently, Horace did so until the 8th of May, but the ketch was then put in the slip for repairs and Horace wanted £1 a day “as his time was worth that to him in Picton.” (Clearly, Horace was living and working in Picton then.) Lots of details about the agreement follows, and then, in conclusion, the Magistrate ruled for the defendant (i.e., against Horace), saying the claim was excessive and that Horace was fully informed as to the change in the agreement. Cost were also awarded. Poor Horace.

This explains the many Port of Wellington announcements in the Evening Post, which read, for example,
“May 7 [1873] - Amateur, ketch, 25 tons, Norgrove, for Picton.”
“January 24 [1871[ - Amateur, ketch, 25 tons, Norgrove, for Blenheim.”
Amateur (with Norgrove), also left for Patea on June 16, 1871. Our Horace was a busy lad.
There’s also
“April 6 [1873] - Unity, schooner, 46 tons, Norgove, from Picton”, in the arrivals. This sounds like Horace going up in the word, to a bigger vessel.

There are many other similar entries, with trips to Havelock, Patea, the East Coast, Picton and Blenheim. He must have moved around a lot. One child was born in Wanganui, in 1876, for example.

The Wellington Evening Post, 31 January, 1870, has Owen (as trustee) v Norgrove - Claim £50. “This was an action brought to recover the value of certain goods alleged to have been damaged while on board defendant’s vessel on their way to Terawiti. Adjourned till to-morrow.” This referred to Horace, as shown by the Evening Post of Saturday, February 12, 1870, which read:
“The adjourned case of Owen (as trustee) v. Norgrove - a claim for damage done to goods while being conveyed in defendant’s vessel, the Amateur, to Terawiti - was heard, Mr. Brandon appearing for the plaintiff, and Mr. Travers for the defendant. Mr. Travers called Mr. Kebbell for the defence, who, on examining a sample of the damaged flour, (on which the claim was principally based), said he did not think the damage could be so extensive as was alleged - 30s a ton would, he considered, cover it. He did not think it possible that the damp from the green timber could have penetrated to the centre of the bags; in the case of the Falcon, which sank alongside the wharf, witness had half a ton of flour on board, and, though it was actually under water, yet it was only wet a small distance round the outside of the bags; had the flour damaged in the Amateur been sifted, the greater portion of it would have been fit for use.” The case was adjourned, to be later settled on Tuesday, 8 March, with the award of £37, 7s to the plaintiff, with costs of £9, 10s. Horace didn’t have too much luck in court.

Horace was clearly interested in many things, as shown by this extract from the Marlborough Express of 20 May, 1892.
“THE PATENT THREE-KEELED SHIP. - The following letter appears in the Marlborough Press:- Dear Sir, - In your Tuesday’s issue you published an article referring to the new patent for three-keeled ships, and under it a letter from Mr. F.M. Levin, dated May 6th, in which he claims Mr. O.A. Norgrove as the original inventor. I must ask you for space to state the facts. Twelve years ago I made the first model, and at once say all the advantages to be derived from ships and steamers being built on those lines. My brother Oscar Alfred Norgrove visited me when I lived in Broadway, about the time I was satisfied with the success of my experiments. As may be expected, I took him into my confidence and showed him all the possibilities, and this is where he first got his ideas. If my brother is asked he will not deny this. I further developed the invention into a submarine steamer, and three years ago I took my crude drawings to the Defence Department with a model of the same. I have now full drawings and specifications that have been laid before the English Admiralty, bearing the stamp of the Agent-General’s office, returned to me with a letter stating that the plans and specifications were not accepted by the Admiralty - that I must construct and demonstrate. Being a poor man those conditions were an impossibility. If there is any claim for the first invention, I claim it against all comers. I am, &c., HORACE NORGROVE, Picton, May 8th, 1892.”

Well, well. I wonder what Oscar thought of that. Sound like he and Horace didn’t always get along.

Horace opened a fish curing works in Blenheim in partnership with the Whiting Brothers, that by 1886 was worth £4,000, had six permanent employees and produced around 10,000 cases of fish anually. Horace appears many times in court records of the day as he was a remarkably litigious man, always suing or being sued over money paid or not paid, conditions fulfilled or not fulfilled.
Notes for Caroline Eliza (Spouse 1)
Known as Carrie.
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